In this performance:
With the WDR Rundfunkchor ∙
Michael Alber, Einstudierung/Chorus Director ∙
Andrés Orozco-Estrada, Dirigent ∙
Clara Andrada, Principal Flautist
In this performance:
With the Collegium Vocale Gent ∙
Philippe Herreweghe, Dirigent ∙
Clara Andrada, Principal Flautist
Conservatory training:
As I’ve said before, in my opinion, Deutschland has the finest Orchestra Choruses these days highly trained in choral excellence and they are part of Deutschland’s public broadcasting media, and I’m featuring one of them in a comparison between two performances of the same piece by Brahms. The other Chorus is from Belgium. Both Choruses performed the same piece with the hr-S (Frankfurt Radio Symphony).
By the way and this is mostly for the benefit and education of most US readers who predictably and consistently say Frankfurt incorrectly every time: The first syllable is not pronounced like the guy’s name Frank.
The correct pronunciation: Deutsche/Germans say Frankfurt as Frahnk-foort (sounding out each syllable evenly, rather than the English “Frank-fert”. Cringe. The ‘a’ is short, the ‘u’ is sounded out like the ‘oo’ in “book,” and the ‘t’ at the end is hard and crisp. Hope this helps. I’m so sick of hearing the first syllable “Frank” spoken as if they’re talking about some guy named Frank. Sigh.
I know that most people in the US unfortunately only speak one language (US English), if that, as opposed to people elsewhere in the world who speak multiple world languages fluently. I know a woman who is fluent in 5 international languages. And some people in the so-called “greatest country” can’t even get through US English, such as the lawless white house resident/the 34-count convicted felon and adjudicated sexual pervert assaulter (“grab ’em by the pussy”) piece of trash.
In this article, I’ve compared these two performances from a choral perspective and they are so close in excellence. I concluded that the WDR Rundfunkchor (one of the paid Choruses of the Deutschland public broadcasting media) might be slightly better — or better recorded — than the performance by the Collegium Vocale Gent, but they’re so close in their level of excellence. If I were a jurist in a choral competition and listening to the two Choruses perform this piece, I’d vote for both of them to share the same award, that’s how close they are in choral excellence, at least to my ear.
The US — and its septic politicians who live under grandiose delusions of being “the greatest country in the history of the world” — has nothing like this. In fact, under the current fascist regime in the US all federal funding for the public broadcasting media have been gutted/ended.
Some people think that choral excellence only applies to larger choral ensembles such as a Symphony Chorus or an Orchestra Chorus. Wrong. Choral excellence applies to all choral ensembles, regardless of their size. It’s part of the job of the Chorus Director, which some lazy or incompetent (or both) Chorus Directors fail to do. For them, they take the easy way out and let their choristers sing as they want.
The fact is: Perfect intonation — the perfect blending of voices in each voice section (SATB) and good diction take work to achieve, and some Chorus Directors just can’t be bothered. With that attitude, they don’t deserve to be hired. Those podunk Choruses don’t sound anything like the Choruses I feature. They don’t sing with perfect intonation, for example.
My choral friend says about me: You only listen to the best, because that’s part of your experience having been in three of the finest Orchestra Choruses anywhere. Well, he has no patience for podunk choral ensembles either, and he has zero patience for vocal soloists/screamers. He can’t stand them. Neither can I, with their fluttering/wobbling obnoxious vibrato where their voice/screaming can be heard in the next city over.
Quite often, noticeable wobbling vibrato is used by singers to cover up pitch and vocal technique problems. And usually vocal screamers (called “soloists”) don’t even attempt to try to match their voice to the velvety sound of the superb, well-trained Symphony Chorus behind them. So you have this stellar, polished sound coming from the Chorus and then the vocal soloists open his/her mouth, and it sounds like nails on a chalkboard. I’ve never seen any conductor do anything about it — in dress rehearsals on stage — because the soloists/screamers are apparently seen as above reproach because they come from artist management agencies. I can’t remember ever hearing a conductor correcting a vocal soloist from an artist management agency. The conductor has no problem correcting the Chorus or members of the Orchestra though. But the soloists? They’re off limits.
My choral friend frequently asks: Why did the composer have to put solo parts in the piece? It’s so much better without them. I agree with him. I don’t have an answer for that since I’ve never understood that either. Was it for variety or to give the Chorus a break, even though the Chorus doesn’t need a break? “The Chorus sounds so beautiful and then the vocal soloist/screamer is wailing over them; completely ruins it, completely ruins the sound” he says. That’s true.
Probably because of my training, I have a slightly wider range of choral ensembles I can listen to or put up with than he does, but not by much. When I start hearing wobbling, that’s when I click off.
In YT video performances of symphonic choral works, commenters who obviously know nothing about music — but pretend they do by using words such as “sublime” and “maestro” over and over — begin gushing over the vocal screamers as if they were the “star” of the performance. The Orchestra and Chorus were the stars. Also, most commenters on YT who comment below symphonic choral works clearly have no trained ear for choral excellence. To them, one Chorus sounds just like the other. But many commenters give all the credit for the performance to the conductor (conductor worshipping) who didn’t play or sing a note. Nigel Kennedy said that conductors are so over-rated.
I have to be in the mood to read comments on YT under symphonic choral performances because of the musical ignorance. Many commenters seem to think that the conductor is the only musician on stage. Some commenters give all the praise for the Chorus to the conductor, rather than to the Chorus, even though in most cases, the conductor had nothing to do with the Chorus and their preparation. That credit goes to the Chorus Director, who is rarely the conductor. Usually the conductor doesn’t see the Chorus until the dress rehearsal on stage. Simon Rattle being an exception to that. In some cases, Simon prepared the Chorus and also conducted the performance.
Some commenters seem to have no problem listening to obnoxious screamers wobbling and fluttering. Commenters seem to think that’s what they’re supposed to do and confuse symphonic choral works with opera. They are two separate and different genres. Opera involves costuming and scenery (and I’ll add: screaming to be heard in the next city over). Whereas symphonic choral works do not have any costuming or scenery, although when opera divas are brought in from artist management agencies to scream out the vocal solo passages, there is indeed screaming. This confuses some of the audience into thinking that rather than hearing a symphonic choral work they’re hearing opera because of the screamers. Most screamers don’t make any attempt to match their obnoxious voice with that of the well-trained Orchestra Chorus.
Dr. Paul Traver said to the University of Maryland Chorus, “If you can’t sound good, you can at least have good diction.” That’s very true. Although Traver’s Maryland Chorus sounded exquisite and were known for their diction. The Chorus Directors for the Choruses I feature do their job superbly and responsibly and achieve choral excellence.
There is a difference between a Symphony Chorus and an Orchestra Chorus:
A Symphony Chorus is an Orchestra’s own Chorus and the Symphony Chorus performs with the Orchestra any time a symphonic choral work is programmed.
An Orchestra Chorus is a Chorus independent of the Orchestra. An Orchestra Chorus is also called a Symphonic Chorus by some people, in some instances.
From my experience, a Symphonic Chorus or an Orchestra Chorus is a Chorus that performs with a major symphony orchestra by invitation only. In other words, they are not part of or attached to a major symphony orchestra. The Choral Arts Society of Washington, The Washington Chorus and the University of Maryland Concert Choir are three that come to mind, from my experience. And the same goes for the disband/”retired” University of Maryland Chorus.
Boston University’s School of Music has a Symphonic Chorus which performs with the Boston University Symphony Orchestra. I’m not sure how they ended up with the name Symphonic Chorus. They really should/could be called the Boston University Symphony Orchestra and Chorus.
So choral excellence applies to smaller choral ensembles just as it applies to an Orchestra Chorus. The superb Collegium Vocale Gent (from Brussels) is an example of choral excellence.
We sang the Brahms’s Schickslslied when I was in the San Francisco Symphony Chorus. I especially enjoyed the first part, but the second part not as much.
There’s a lovely flute solo after the second choral section that begins near 12.53 in the performance conducted by Andrés. The Principal Flautist of the hr-S, Clara Andrada de la Calle, plays the solo beautifully. She plays the solo in both performances.
In the Herreweghe performance, the camera shows her playing it beginning at 14.00.
The hr-S have several, rotating First and Second Concertmasters. In the performance conducted by
Andrés above, the First Concertmaster is Florin Iliescu. The Second Concertmaster sitting next to him is Maximilian Junghanns.