Performed in Munich by the Bavarian Radio Choir and Bavarian Symphony Orchestra
Updated: The juvenile “maga” cultists love to jump up and down — like that beer-drinking, juvenile FBI director, Kash Patel, was doing in the men’s locker room at the Olympics — and shout how the US is the “greatest country.” The immature and rude/crude dictator says the US is “the hottest country.” Both of these cultists like to say these things to try to convince themselves that this is the case. The thinking is: Say it often enough and they start to believe it. And it really depends how “greatest country” is defined, and why does there have to be a “greatest country?” Many nations are great.
The ensembles in the performances on this page (both Orchestra and Chorus) are part of the public broadcasting system in Deutschland. The US has nothing like that. The US has no musical ensembles associated with what remains of public media. In fact, under the dictator’s regime, federal funding has been ended for public broadcasting/public media. That’s how little the US thinks of public broadcasting under the current stupid, draconian and barbaric regime and thoroughly corrupt and incompetent “maga” cultists.
There is a saying that is quite true and that is any Chorus can sing loudly — which they can but they may not be singing loudly and beautifully with choral excellence — but only the finest Choruses can singing beautifully quietly, as these two (make that three) Choruses do in these performances below. Listen to their hushed choral excellence/diction, and they’re also sitting for the quiet sections which makes it more difficult to sing quietly.
I’ve been slow to feature this piece because of the screamers (vocal soloists). Some people will say that because Mahler never wrote an opera and that all of his symphonies are considered operas or operatic of sorts because of the vocal soloists, even though there is no costuming and scenery involved, which is part of the definition of opera.
This is one of the problems of the classical music tradition. The reality is that it doesn’t matter what piece it is of the symphonic choral repertoire, when there are vocal solo parts involved, who is brought in to the performance to scream out those parts? It’s always opera divas from artist management companies. That’s what they sound like, even when the piece has nothing remotely to do with opera. And because of this, some people who know nothing about music think that all symphonic choral works are opera because of the opera divas screaming out the solo parts, when that is not the case at all.
As for Mahler’s Symphony No. 2:
The piece is really about the power of love.
- The “Resurrection”: Mahler noted that the title refers not to a traditional, narrow, religious dogma but to the “resurrection” of the human spirit after the trials of life. It is a highly, emotional and, ultimately affirmative statement about the power of love.
- Though Mahler converted to Catholicism, he was not a strictly practicing Christian. The symphony is seen as a deeply personal, philosophical work, grappling with the suffering of existence, and offering an often non-dogmatic, spiritual, almost pantheistic, vision of afterlife.
Pantheism is the belief that a deity and the universe are identical, viewing the cosmos, nature, and the divine as a single, all-encompassing, self-organising unity. It rejects a personal, transcendent creator in favor of an immanent divinity found within all things. Core beliefs emphasize that everything is interconnected, sacred, and part of one divine substance.

You would think that the religious nuts would try to make this piece all about their fundamentalist religious beliefs, but the sense I get and have always had is that most people think this is a strictly secular piece. I suppose they see the word “Resurrection” in the title, but they don’t make anything about that.
As for Mahler, easy going and easy to get along with he was most certainly not. The singers and instrumentalists who performed under his him loathed him: to them, he was a small, pale tyrant who gave them no quarter and rehearsed works — they thought they knew — for hour after unending hour.
Management, likewise, usually detested him, with his endless artistic demands and constant threats to quit if those demands were not met. But no one could argue with the results, because audiences loved him, and everywhere he went he raised the level of performance to the degree that his actions and behaviors were tolerated; had to be tolerated.
I have wanted to feature this piece for some time, but I couldn’t find an Orchestra Chorus that I found acceptable, trained in choral excellence until now where I found this performance from the Bavaria Radio Choir and Symphony Orchestra, and later the performance from the combined WDR Radio Choir and Berlin Radio Choir, and WDR Symphony Orchestra. Both performances were in Deutschland. I think Deutschland has the finest Orchestra Choruses these days trained in the highest of choral excellence.
Unfortunately, Mahler viewed his symphonies as operatic in nature and felt the need to stick all of these vocal soloist parts into the piece, which ruins it for me and for my choral friend. This is especially true for the vocal soloists (aka screamers) who have poor vocal technique that they use so much vibrato that you can tell what pitch they’re aiming for.
The Vibratobots(TM) always say that one must sing (they really mean scream) with heavy vibrato to be heard over an orchestra. They never consider that orchestras are quite adept at accompanying a screamer. And with technology being what it is today, no one has to scream over an orchestra or a piano accompanist for that matter. All opera divas can sing “normally” and wear discreet mics and or headsets on their person to be easily heard with the orchestra. So there’s no more need to “sing (scream) over the orchestra” to be heard.
In the second performance of this piece (second video below), the screamers were parked on the front of the stage and they had microphones in front of them. The reality is that neither needed a mic as their obnoxious voice could be heard in the next city over. In fact, the soprano screamer ruined the perfect intonation of the soprano section of the Chorus on their High B Flat as she was wobbling and fluttering. At first I thought it was the sopranos of the Chorus, but my choral friend said, “No, that’s the soprano screamer,” which I had forget was also singing-screaming at the time. He was correct. They are one of my favourite Choruses so I was surprised that to hear noticeable vibrato from them did I don’t usually hear from them. In the quietest choral section, the soprano screamer comes in with fucking wobbling which does not at all match the smooth sound of the Orchestra and Chorus. She ruined it and seemed clueless about it. It only takes one voice with wobbling vibrato to ruin perfect intonation and that’s what happened here. The Chorus was well-trained in perfect intonation, but the soprano screamer’s wobbling contaminated the perfect intonation from the soprano section especially on the high B Flats in the finale. Like I said, she ruined it.
The only live performance I’ve heard of this piece — where I was also in the Concert Hall — was in the Kennedy Center years ago with the National Symphony Orchestra (NSO) and the University of Maryland Chorus. I had seen on the NSO’s subscription series that The Maryland Chorus (as they were also known) seemed to be the Official Chorus of the National Symphony Orchestra at that time and I was determined to hear them. They were outstanding which is why they were Antal Doráti’s favourite Chorus and he invited them to perform with the NSO as often as possible. This didn’t set too well with the Choral Arts Society of Washington because they didn’t get as many invitations to perform with the NSO as they thought they should have — although one of the seasons I sang with them I remember us having 5-6 set of engagements with the NSO — because of the number of engagements given to the University of Maryland Chorus. I liked both Choruses so I didn’t take part in the silly, one-way rivalry and lies that were said about Dr Traver and Maryland. This was at the (what I call) height of the symphonic choral movement in the Kennedy Center Concert Hall where lots of works for Orchestra and Chorus were programmed, as compared to today where that is not the case at all. Related: The Big Three.
Have I told you how much I can’t stand vocal soloists, with few exceptions to that. And of course the Vibratobots have umpteen rationales, lies and justifications to support the screamers,
Regardless of the piece, the soloists seem to think they’re on an opera stage. I’m not into opera. My choral friend has even less patience for this piece than I do. I know where the choral parts are so I go to those and bypass the rest of it where the screamers are.
As I said, the vocal screamers — officially known as “soloists” — ruined it for me. But at least the conductor — in the second performance down — parked the screamers away from the front of the stage and off to the side, back on the left side of the Chorus. I think the screamers were mic’d even though they didn’t need to be as both could overpower the full Orchestra and Chorus without being mic’d.
I finally found a performance of Mahler’s Symphony No. 2 from a Chorus prepared in choral excellence, meaning, in part, that they sing in all voice sections (SATB) without wobbling vibrato. And the Orchestra played superbly as well. As for the vocal wobbling and fluttering screamers (commonly called “soloists”) who ruin it, well, I don’t have much to say about them and I’m not even saying who they are. I was listening to the Chorus and their very smooth choral entrance and that was followed by one of the screamers. She came in with wobbling vibrato which completely ruined the moment for me. She seemed clueless that she wasn’t at all matching or trying to match the sound of the Chorus. Someone in the comments of the video complained about “too much vibrato.” So it wasn’t just me who was turned off by this noise. I don’t find wobbling and fluttering to be music, and in some cases it’s used to cover up bad vocal technique. I find wobbling and fluttering to be noise when it clashes with the smooth perfect intonation sounds of the Orchestra and Chorus.
In the first performance, from what I could tell, neither screamer was mic’d so production must have felt that neither screamer needed to be mic’d as they both had the ability to scream over all the other musicians on stage, which is usually the case. Yes, they have the ability to scream over the Full Orchestra and Chorus and pipe organ.
This piece is not an opera — although Mahler considered his symphonies to be “inclusive” meaning, I guess, that his symphonies included aspects of opera (such as screaming) — so the screamers took advantage of this and seemed to think it is opera and used the same obnoxious wobbling and fluttering vocal techniques that they use in opera. As if to say, “Guess what pitch I’m singing?” They made no attempt to blend with the Chorus and still be tastefully heard.
Did the conductor think there was “too much vibrato?” Well, if he did, he apparently didn’t correct the screamer. From my Orchestra Chorus experience, I don’t remember any conductor correcting a screamer on anything, at least not on stage. That’s something that is not done.
The screamers come from artist management agencies so they are seen as sacrosanct or above reproach and that’s how conductors approach them, as if they arrive on stage “perfect” even when they’re not. Another double standard. Although the conductor has no problem correcting the Symphony Chorus or the Orchestra on something, but not the screamers.
Notice the “bells up” for the French horns in the finale in the first performance, and also the wind section doesn’t play in part of that. The violin section really has to work in the finale with their fast bowing although it looks like synchronised bowing to me, and not staggered bowing (to create a pedal point effect) as is sometimes used to keep the sound going nonstop in other pieces.
Interestingly, I see some of the same choristers in this performance that performed in the Vaughan Williams A Sea Symphony. They were in the Gaechinger Cantorey for that performance from Deutschland with the SWR Symphonieorchester.
I also found this performance (below) — with one of my favourite Choruses from Deutschland. I was hearing some screaming vibrato on the top high B Flat in the finale and I mistakenly thought it was the soprano section. I listened again with my choral friend and he said the Chorus was excellent and the screaming was from the soprano soloist which I realised was the case. Both screamers were unfortunately mic’d even though they didn’t need to be as their screaming could be heard in the next city over, especially with the soprano screamer. This is not artistic singing, this is screaming and any fool can scream. Screaming is noise; screaming is not music. With few exceptions, this is especially true with soprano screamers who seem absolutely unable to control their voice. One wonders where some people trained — they would need thick walls and soundproofing to block her obnoxious voice from travelling throughout the halls of the Conservatory or a University’s School of Music — and Voice Departments are turning out people like that whose obnoxious voice can overpower a Full Orchestra and Chorus.
Here’s a third performance from Deutschland I found. It’s not the same Chorus, but some of the same choristers are in this Chorus. From a choral sense, I think the Chorus may be better recorded in this performance.
I’m not hot on the idea of seating the screamers up in the front row center of the Chorus. But since the Chorus was seated up on what is essentially the second story of the building in those seats, I guess the conductor thought it would look better to have the screamers seated where they are, than separated on the left side of the Chorus:
Chor des Bayerischen Rundfunks
SWR Vokalensemble
SWR Symphonieorchester
Dirigent: Christoph Eschenbach
